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 Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:48 pm 
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I am wondering if they are aiming at herd immunity via sleight of hand.


Not so sleight with universities-a very dubious approach,

tbh I am somewhat concerned about the apparent acceptance of getting students into their halls there, then locking them down as they did- seems they are paying for the privilege of being inmates.

I doubt security guards have the legal authorty to stop anyone leaving - and tbh if they are partying in there - so fucking what.


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desiwulf wrote:
I am wondering if they are aiming at herd immunity via sleight of hand.


Not so sleight with universities-a very dubious approach,

tbh I am somewhat concerned about the apparent acceptance of getting students into their halls there, then locking them down as they did- seems they are paying for the privilege of being inmates.

I doubt security guards have the legal authorty to stop anyone leaving - and tbh if they are partying in there - so fucking what.


And there in lies a dichotomy. Cap and Gown have always had 'issues' in places like Oxford. Pubs keep students and locals apart if they can, as like oil and water, they don't mix very well. How do you let all the young under-grads party the night away, while telling Joe Smith, a nineteen year old Oxford, chippy, that he can't go in his local pub and socialise with his mates?

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Not so sleight with universities-a very dubious approach,

tbh I am somewhat concerned about the apparent acceptance of getting students into their halls there, then locking them down as they did- seems they are paying for the privilege of being inmates.

I doubt security guards have the legal authorty to stop anyone leaving - and tbh if they are partying in there - so fucking what.


And there in lies a dichotomy. Cap and Gown have always had 'issues' in places like Oxford. Pubs keep students and locals apart if they can, as like oil and water, they don't mix very well. How do you let all the young under-grads party the night away, while telling Joe Smith, a nineteen year old Oxford, chippy, that he can't go in his local pub and socialise with his mates?



We are talking about places such as Leeds , Hull, Liverpool , this is not a class thing.

We are not talking about the privileged few who 'Don the Blue' we are talking about those of the same social standing as myself , who have bought into the government mantra of paying to 'better oneself' through further education and have taken on massive debts in order to faciltate this, and once their money has been handed over - wham.

But to answer your quesiton- Quite easily really .

If one of them is paying £7k to live in a halls of residence, and is then stopped from leaving those same halls due to someone three blocks away testing positive, therefore meaning he is in a controlled environment with no contact with the outside world , whilst the other has none of those constraints fostered upon him against his wishes (legal or not) and is no longer free to travel as his wont then its very simple.

Of course in the interests of fairness to all you could give Joe Smith the (soon to be well off ) Oxford Chippy the same 'opportunities' & ask him if he too wants to pay £7k to the halls of residence then he could go into the controlled environement and party with them under the same comstraints never leaving until he is allowed to.


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Not so sleight with universities-a very dubious approach,

tbh I am somewhat concerned about the apparent acceptance of getting students into their halls there, then locking them down as they did- seems they are paying for the privilege of being inmates.

I doubt security guards have the legal authorty to stop anyone leaving - and tbh if they are partying in there - so fucking what.


And there in lies a dichotomy. Cap and Gown have always had 'issues' in places like Oxford. Pubs keep students and locals apart if they can, as like oil and water, they don't mix very well. How do you let all the young under-grads party the night away, while telling Joe Smith, a nineteen year old Oxford, chippy, that he can't go in his local pub and socialise with his mates?



We are talking about places such as Leeds , Hull, Liverpool , this is not a class thing.

We are not talking about the privileged few who 'Don the Blue' we are talking about those of the same social standing as myself , who have bought into the government mantra of paying to 'better oneself' through further education and have taken on massive debts in order to faciltate this, and once their money has been handed over - wham.

But to answer your quesiton- Quite easily really .

If one of them is paying £7k to live in a halls of residence, and is then stopped from leaving those same halls due to someone three blocks away testing positive, therefore meaning he is in a controlled environment with no contact with the outside world , whilst the other has none of those constraints fostered upon him against his wishes (legal or not) and is no longer free to travel as his wont then its very simple.

Of course in the interests of fairness to all you could give Joe Smith the (soon to be well off ) Oxford Chippy the same 'opportunities' & ask him if he too wants to pay £7k to the halls of residence then he could go into the controlled environement and party with them under the same comstraints never leaving until he is allowed to.


Not sure 'Joe' would agree with your argument. Are you saying that because some pay to live in halls, that makes it fine for them to ignore the guidelines? As I pay more mortgage than any student, can I do what I like in my own property ? To you ( and me) it's not a class thing. However, to the youth of the Northern inner-cities, I assure you it will become just that. Freedoms that have become ingrained, and that are suddenly taken away, will garner anger from the affected, and create divisions in society which will make Brexit seem like a love-in.

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suiging wrote:
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We are talking about places such as Leeds , Hull, Liverpool , this is not a class thing.

We are not talking about the privileged few who 'Don the Blue' we are talking about those of the same social standing as myself , who have bought into the government mantra of paying to 'better oneself' through further education and have taken on massive debts in order to faciltate this, and once their money has been handed over - wham.

But to answer your quesiton- Quite easily really .

If one of them is paying £7k to live in a halls of residence, and is then stopped from leaving those same halls due to someone three blocks away testing positive, therefore meaning he is in a controlled environment with no contact with the outside world , whilst the other has none of those constraints fostered upon him against his wishes (legal or not) and is no longer free to travel as his wont then its very simple.

Of course in the interests of fairness to all you could give Joe Smith the (soon to be well off ) Oxford Chippy the same 'opportunities' & ask him if he too wants to pay £7k to the halls of residence then he could go into the controlled environement and party with them under the same comstraints never leaving until he is allowed to.


Not sure 'Joe' would agree with your argument. Are you saying that because some pay to live in halls, that makes it fine for them to ignore the guidelines? As I pay more mortgage than any student, can I do what I like in my own property ? To you ( and me) it's not a class thing. However, to the youth of the Northern inner-cities, I assure you it will become just that. Freedoms that have become ingrained, and that are suddenly taken away, will garner anger from the affected, and create divisions in society which will make Brexit seem like a love-in.


No what I'm saying is that if they are 'confined to barracks' and are not allowed out (forget the legality) then if they decide to party whilst under those constraints until such time as their enforced isolation is lifted I see no isse with that.


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desiwulf wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/huge-crowds-dance-and-play-cricket-in-london-after-pubs-close-at-10pm-in-curfew-chaos/ar-BB19TVdg?ocid=msedgntp

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desiwulf wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/huge-crowds-dance-and-play-cricket-in-london-after-pubs-close-at-10pm-in-curfew-chaos/ar-BB19TVdg?ocid=msedgntp

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Again they have implemented half arsed rules on the fly with no thought as to what they are actually trying to achieve ,and how they will be enforced..they just open themselves up to this sort of ridicule.


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The allowance of a devolved approach to Coronovirus in the UK should have been stopped from the get go.

Policies should have been centralised from the start in order to ensure a unified approach.

It merely allows a subversive point scoring element to undermine what should be something nonpolitical.

I'm heartliy sick of hearing Sturgeon bleat on about how they dont agree- everytime about everything.

This devolved approach to something that knows no boundaries merely fuels the antagonism that perpetuates anglo-scottish relationships , there's never truly been any love lost.

It has however been allowed to fester and we are too far down that road now.

It will merely serve to accelerate the break up of the UK -which I now believe is inevitable.


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So much for the radical proposal that we should take the warnings fron this pandemic & reajust western economies so as to reduce our dependancy on Chinese manufacturing & influence before our economy became that dependant that we could no longer function without them.
I believe many were saying it was a close call.

It didnt take long for the free marketeers to ensure that idea to be brushed under the carpet to ensure 'free market' continued.

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Covid is on the rise. It is definitely a real and horrible threat to the vulnerable ( but not the youth). This said, why is the government not targeting the idiots who are ignoring guidelines and are easily identified as a demographic by track and trace? Yes university and college students, I mean you. When your average University student turns up if he/she is lucky once a week for one-on-one, or direct lecture tuition, who gives a f%%$£@ about your 'experience' when your behaviour, along with the rest of your generation is potentially killing people. I don't see many care home residents dancing in the streets or getting pissed in their local, do you? Close the colleges, teach via technology. If you're not brave enough to follow Sweden, at least protect the elderly and put in measures to stop the 'party' generation. So they won't love their piss up ( sorry educational ) experience.....tough.

Edited to add. Watch the Monday quiz shows. The 'experience' has now destroyed the 'learning' thing if their performance, compared to other generations is anything to go by.

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Don't forget the expansion (and therefore to some extent) the dumming down of universities and the identification of the 'cash cow' student to fund the little cottage industry of education started under Blair (spit), and continued unabashed under Cameron and (the traitor) Clegg.

Many who should not go to unniversity now have very little choice than to go as there are few opportunities to make a worthwhile career outside of that avenue.

However many of those that do go now realise as they are spending (too much) money on their education they want to get something from it other than a piss up.

I think you have an outdated biased opinion of a lot of students tbh.

I know many students who have gone , worked hard and produced the goods (regardless of the course they attend which is a different arguement entirely) , and also many who should have gone & would have gone in the past but didnt due to the fees (and thats a shame for all of us ).

Ironically if I'd have had to pay the fees I may have actually tried harder , rather than fuck around for 2 years and end up with nowt but thats a diff story.

As for university Challenge I watch it and there are many still far far celeverer than I (see above for the reason!).


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I thnk the only more 'northerman image' Burnham could foster would be to turn up in a flat cap walking a whippet. Looks like he's auditioning for The Smiths.

He mentions pubs gyms and bookies ...fucking bookies ?! yeah lets not take responsibilty lets moan about them closing bookies that will distract A true Northern Man hey ....

Gove was right on the money on Andrew Marr- Burnham continually changes his tune one muinute its because the levels aren't high enough (they are) , next its about the payouts...it can't be both.

He arguing about 13% he wants 80% compo Boris says 67%.
We all then have to foot the bill because Burnham hasn't ensured the current rules & regs have been adhered to. He just doesn't want to accept any responsibilty-the blokes a charlaton just playing politics.

The only thing worse is Brady shoving his oar in - scared of losing his seat- plummy mouthed twat.

Burnham moaned about the Tory MP's sending an open letter , specifically calling them Southern Tories...deliberately using the North - South divide without alienating his new found Tory 'friends' ...christ I bet that sticks in his craw.

Boris shoud man up and tell Burnham (& Brady) to fuck right off - or get Gove to do it.


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I thnk the only more 'northerman image' Burnham could foster would be to turn up in a flat cap walking a whippet. Looks like he's auditioning for The Smiths.

He mentions pubs gyms and bookies ...fucking bookies ?! yeah lets not take responsibilty lets moan about them closing bookies that will distract A true Northern Man hey ....

Gove was right on the money on Andrew Marr- Burnham continually changes his tune one muinute its because the levels aren't high enough (they are) , next its about the payouts...it can't be both.

He arguing about 13% he wants 80% compo Boris says 67%.
We all then have to foot the bill because Burnham hasn't ensured the current rules & regs have been adhered to. He just doesn't want to accept any responsibilty-the blokes a charlaton just playing politics.

The only thing worse is Brady shoving his oar in - scared of losing his seat- plummy mouthed twat.

Burnham moaned about the Tory MP's sending an open letter , specifically calling them Southern Tories...deliberately using the North - South divide without alienating his new found Tory 'friends' ...christ I bet that sticks in his craw.

Boris shoud man up and tell Burnham (& Brady) to fuck right off - or get Gove to do it.


Setting the precedent for payouts from central government being decided on how many times you can moan on Marr or Sophy Ridge on Sunday is a total farce. I can't wait for the dulcet tones of the Mayor of Sandwell to puke all over the airways for his slice of the tax payers cake to buy more grey peas and faggots.

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So now Burnhams been shown up , another Labour Mayor tries it on:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54619778

I hope Boris carry's on showing his new found strength and fucks Khan right over.
He has no choice really for fear of reigniting a North-South conspiracy divide- Khans an egotistical idiot- and aself serving wanker- I await with glee Boris bending him over....


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As little old ladies who run tea-shops weep at the lost half-term business and contemplate a future with no income........

"Last Friday, Public Health Wales reported that in Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion – combined population of around 386,000 - there were 25 new cases of coronavirus. Pembrokeshire had four and Ceredigion three while my peerlessly lovely birthplace, Carmarthenshire, came in with a deafening 18. Not deaths, cases. I’d argue there is currently more chance of perishing in a sheep-related incident than of succumbing to Covid in West Wales."

The ex Social Studies teaching, Corbyn supporting, leader of Wales, smirks at the political arrows he has thrown at Westminster.

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I'm beginning to think the age of our politician's is the driving force behind Covid hysteria. The young can show no, or very little ill-effects from the virus. The average age of death from it is 82 and change, slightly higher than the National average.

Why are we destroying the economic future for our youth in order to arguably prolong by months the lives of the very old ? It's like the corny vampire films, when the blood of the young is fed to the old King Dick, vampire to keep him going. I wonder if as the majority of MPs can see the perils of age looming, the hysteria over this is about them, not the future of the Country ?

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I know there are a lot of struggling families and, hence, hungry kids out there but the cynical side of me can`t help thinking that a lot of undeserving, comfortably enough people will benefit from the hysteria over free school meals at the moment.


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I know there are a lot of struggling families and, hence, hungry kids out there but the cynical side of me can`t help thinking that a lot of undeserving, comfortably enough people will benefit from the hysteria over free school meals at the moment.


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I know there are a lot of struggling families and, hence, hungry kids out there but the cynical side of me can`t help thinking that a lot of undeserving, comfortably enough people will benefit from the hysteria over free school meals at the moment.


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Not saying I don't agree that people should accept their responsibilties they should - but some don't.

There will therefore be children going hungry through no fault of their own - and in this day and age in this country that shouldn't be happening.

There are many causes of this , and I do get annoyed at the jumping on the bandwagon approach but the least we should do is accept it happens, that there is an issue , and look at ways of ensuring it stops.

Social care for children needs immediate action-I'm as guilty as the next man of turning a blind eye.


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In the UK there is provision a plenty for intervention or help if any child is going hungry. All it takes is for the parents to actually do something about the situation. This may require biting the bullet and admitting to local authorities that you need help. This might require a prioritising of the families needs, smartphone for everyone above the age of four, or food? Fags, booze, and drugs, or food, and so it goes. No matter if it's the hard road of admitting you're in trouble, or cutting back on the trappings of the age, responsible parents, if they can be arsed, have a way to feed their kids.

If you accept the above, simple solutions. Don't have kids unless you accept responsibility for them. If you have them, and you allow them to starve, you should go to jail.

Edited to add: Simple test of the 'no child should starve' mantra. Pick up your phone and tell the nearest Salvation Army centre that you have a starving nipper, see what happens. Don't like old Sally ? Same call to your nearest Citizens Advice gang, same story. It might not be the food you like, or it might mean you are required to move from the Telly and get food for your child or heaven forbid, actually try to feed them, but food they will get. No child should starve in this country.

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Oh, and I did enjoy Rashford's admittance that he went hungry as child being used by the opposition as a stick to beat the government. Have they actually checked his age and seen who was in power during his infancy throughout the late nineties early mid-naughties?

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Oh, and I did enjoy Rashford's admittance that he went hungry as child being used by the opposition as a stick to beat the government. Have they actually checked his age and seen who was in power during his infancy throughout the late nineties early mid-naughties?



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Our local supermarket has closed as a member of staff has been diagnosed with the virus. Half the staff are self isolating so they are too short staffed to open up. Crazy times are getting crazier.


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Forced into an announcement by the press, plus its possibly overdue, once again Boris stumbles into lock down.

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So the lunatic scientists who have unchallenged, produced graphs which they admit in the small print are predictions, predictions they have got wrong at every turn thus far, state this lockdown won't work unless we close schools and colleges. We aren't closing them, so who exactly thinks this lockdown will work ? Even the WHO for God's sake, state lockdowns don't work as the virus is endemic, and is not going away any time soon.

What happened in early September that set this second wave off ? Mmmmm that's a hard one. What happened that sent hundreds of thousands of young people back on the streets to mix unhindered with their mates before going home to their working families ? Mmmmmm

In other news, a man died last night after being shot in Ilford. An urgent autopsy has been called for, to see if he died from Covid complications surrounding the bullet. His death, added to the other lad from North London who was stabbed in a fight, potentially dying from Covid, will be added to the graph in order to extend the lockdown until 2023.

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Great Britain has become an NHS with a medium to small country attached to it.

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It is now time for the Army to be introduced to march on some of our citizens who believe it is ok to gather in the hundreds at some thing quaintly called a 'rave' who then attack the Police sent there to protect them and their families from their fuckwittedness.

I would also like them to herald the usage of the Sjambok on these twats and laud the fact that they were the first troops ever to carry and use them.
I doubt whether my views would garner any support from New Labour but it would quickly address the problems and save lives and protect the NHS, well, apart from dozens of people attending the A+E with Sjambok injuries.

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My thesis is that we come out of lockdown2 in early or even mid December, let the country have its Xmas celebrations ( as muted as they will be) and then make lockdown3 from January 3rd or near as. Having any lockdown will stunt the deaths and infections a lot but once we return to the tier system, within a month infections will rise and also deaths, there is no way of controlling this by ongoing or intermittent lockdown for any length of time, we either wait for a credible and effective vaccine in our current state or shield the elderly and vulnerable, let life resume as it used to be pre March 23rd and let the virus work its way through the population age groups up to 60 and see what herd immunity may come from this. Once most people have had the virus and by and large survived and recovered, will the virus return again to strike at previously infected people or will it mutate into a new type as having need of new targets to find?

Both of my suggestions are very high risk and that emphasise the scenario we and all governments have to face up to. In a year or so, as things stand, there will be no airlines to fly us to the sunny climes, no decent jobs left across the whole country, massive mental health issues across the whole population, thousands of deaths from causes that were not treated during the virus pandemic, the economy farked for decades, the fallout from Brexit...one could go on and on...

Glad that I am not a politician in these times, damned if you do, damned if you don't..but decisions have to be made...but which ones and to what effect and detriment? The average age of Corona death victims is said to be 82/83 and we should be looking to realise that deaths are inevitable, sadly but we need for everybody's sake to resume what we have known as normal life and learn to live with this scourge until gradually, vaccines are ready and effective. To do nothing or carry on sleepwalking into lockdown after lockdown is futile and damaging beyond belief. Under the current restrictions, we are getting an idea of what daily life might be as routine for North Koreans....mankind, get up off your knees and fight...

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