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Fosun share price down four percent in HK so far today. Asian markets selling off, oil down, gold up.

Corona has reached pandemic status in Hebei province and with a strong potential to spread to the rest of China. The developed world looks ill prepared, although it should be manageable when it reaches our shores.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-faq/

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Fosun share price down four percent in HK so far today. Asian markets selling off, oil down, gold up.

Corona has reached pandemic status in Hebei province and with a strong potential to spread to the rest of China. The developed world looks ill prepared, although it should be manageable when it reaches our shores.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-faq/


It is a worry. SARS had a much higher death rate and did not attract this much hysteria. We do live in more hysterical times, but it does make you wonder.

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Should China be in complete lockdown, NO commercial flights in or out?

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Should be, problem is it is too late and it is too contagious. Should help ensure we get a few cases rather than be overwhelmed.

It is a lot more contagious than SARS but a lot less deadly, at least if you aren't already ill or elderly. Think this will hit the global economy hard, China very hard, third World countries very hard but we should be fine.

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Should be, problem is it is too late and it is too contagious. Should help ensure we get a few cases rather than be overwhelmed.

It is a lot more contagious than SARS but a lot less deadly, at least if you aren't already ill or elderly. Think this will hit the global economy hard, China very hard, third World countries very hard but we should be fine.


Its a "flu", nothing more. The Chinese tried to hide SARS and were rightly canned for it. This time totally OTT. The smell of politics reeks in the air

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With news that Corona has hit Europe, does the human race have the disciplines required to control it.

Or will selfish individuals just hope for the best?

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Was hoping it wouldn't hit Europe until we were further in to the year, hot weather kills the virus, it is why Australia hasn't had an outbreak despite several cases early on.

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Was hoping it wouldn't hit Europe until we were further in to the year, hot weather kills the virus, it is why Australia hasn't had an outbreak despite several cases early on.



Interesting thought but yesterday Barcelona and also Tenerife had their first cases and they are warm(er) climates.

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It will affect or stop a lot of sporting events in Europe this year

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It will affect or stop a lot of sporting events in Europe this year


Could see events being held without spectators. Public gatherings speed transmission.

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It will affect or stop a lot of sporting events in Europe this year


Could see events being held without spectators. Public gatherings speed transmission.


A study claims that 13,000 people died from 'flu' and it's complications in 2008-09 in the UK. More conservative estimates put the death toll at 600 per annum.

Let's not get involved with the hysteria just yet.....(I know it's too late, the lunatics are here, and in numbers)

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Mortality from flu is 0.01%, Corona is somewhere between 1% and 2%.

Sensible precautionary measures will ensure the impact is limited.

Of course if you are over the age of seventy or have underlying health issues then yes you should worry.

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Mortality from flu is 0.01%, Corona is somewhere between 1% and 2%.

Sensible precautionary measures will ensure the impact is limited.

Of course if you are over the age of seventy or have underlying health issues then yes you should worry.



Good points. Sensible measures need to be taken. If we want to stop an outbreak in a specific town, we would have to do what China did, and we as a nation simply aren't up to being tough enough to do that. This sadly means it's coming, I doubt we can contain it, people will die, same as they do every year, but sadly a few more of the sick and elderly as normal. However, hysteria and not explaining to the populace what it actually means ( death rates etc) will lead to far more complications amongst the general populace than is necessary. Civil unrest a distinct possibility unless we 'do' a China, or man-up and be sensible. Can't see either happening. It's not going to be pretty.

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If the virus really does kick in here heavily, then people will be kept at home or maybe frightened to leave their homes and avoid contact with others, so there would be massive shopping spree very soon for long-life dated foods etc and shops will do excellent business as people stock up for a long stay at home. It could be very dramatic and threatening for everyone, whether you are rich or poor or whatever. Will people be told to stay away from their workplaces? Schools be empty for weeks or months? Will shops stay open or also be told to shut down either longer term or temporarily? Wherever large groups of people congregrate, something will have to give to prevent the spread getting even worse should the scenario happen. The already strapped NHS would not cope either, sadly.

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On the bright side it could be a cure for climate change.

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On the bright side it could be a cure for climate change.


Do you mean if Greta Thunberk gets it?

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"That's a hell of a number!"

An estimate from Harvard says that 40 to 70% of the entire world population will test positive for the new coronavirus at some point

Dr David Agus

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"That's a hell of a number!"

An estimate from Harvard says that 40 to 70% of the entire world population will test positive for the new coronavirus at some point

Dr David Agus


40-70 % of the world populattion...thats a massive spread -seems like a finger in the air quote- not so much of an expert more like a guesspert.


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The media don't like admitting race exists so they don't let you know that the coronavirus attacks via the ACE2 receptors, Orientals have a very high number of them, Europeans and Africans not so many. Also worth bearing in mind respiratory illnesses have a fertile ground in China as they all smoke and the pollution is horrific. Chinese also have very high levels of type two diabetes.

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The media don't like admitting race exists so they don't let you know that the coronavirus attacks via the ACE2 receptors, Orientals have a very high number of them, Europeans and Africans not so many. Also worth bearing in mind respiratory illnesses have a fertile ground in China as they all smoke and the pollution is horrific. Chinese also have very high levels of type two diabetes.


They all smoke ?.... Now that's funny.

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On the bright side it could be a cure for climate change.


Do you mean if Greta Thunberk gets it?



Yep, as this kicks in, the lovely Greta will have to stop holding public protests ( In the one country, not her's, that in percentage terms, and actual weight, has cut the most carbon emissions in the EU over the past ten years )....Perhaps her parents will have to see if she can sing or perhaps dance on a chain if they can get a barrel organ.

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yeah I see Greta and her friends have stopped Heathrow..now whether you agree with the 3rd runway or not I think I heard 70% of UK air frifght comes through Heathrow...so IF this means a curb on direct plans to increase air frieght in a global post brexit Britian this sort of impact will have a direct and deeo impact on our economy.
Along with plans to challenge other major infrastructure projects (roads etc) this could also impact on Northern ecoonomies ....ironic dontcha think .

Tree loving Islington rich labourites will now use climsate change to keep Britiain & northern towns down ..."where we belong".

Funny how these pious basterds brag about giving up 200k+ salaries...obv after theyve earned enough via it to sustain their globe trotting protests...

Cameron started all of this with his excessive coal power station tax over and above the EU commitment ...& for this govermnment to commit to 100% carbon free by 2050 is quite frankly fucking ridiculous esp when Chinese power stations in Croatia ( or was it Serbia) are bolocking coal out with no consequencies...Trump has this one right unfortunately theres no level playing field!

Maybe this government should start planting more trees somewhere to offset the carbon footprint so we can continue to build the infrastructure actually required ......or maybe just count the trees we have already got they must count for something right ??


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On the bright side it could be a cure for climate change.


Do you mean if Greta Thunberk gets it?


Coronavirus: Space images reveal drastic fall in pollution over China as factories closed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 66751.html

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knocker knowles wrote:
Rozza wrote:
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On the bright side it could be a cure for climate change.


Do you mean if Greta Thunberk gets it?


Coronavirus: Space images reveal drastic fall in pollution over China as factories closed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 66751.html


Telling isn't it ...you see if we really wanted to address climate change and plan risk strategy for the global economies the western world should now:

Start to plan to bring manufacturing back into their own countries- not all of course but definatley new tech.

Introduce a carbon tax on those good from countries that cause the most polution from carbon fuel (that would now of course also include America)

Stop selling companies to the chinese - that includes British Steel.

Major outbreakes such as SARS etc will always start in places like Chna first - the population is so dense and has a larger proportion of its population is direct contact with animals.

China will always be involved in manufacturing thats obvious but I belive a more risk averse strategy is called for.

It wont happen of course - we are all guilty of wanting everything as cheap as possible...& everything has a cost!


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On the bright side it could be a cure for climate change.[/quote]

Do you mean if Greta Thunberk gets it?[/quote]

Coronavirus: Space images reveal drastic fall in pollution over China as factories closed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 66751.html[/quote]

Telling isn't it ...you see if we really wanted to address climate change and plan risk strategy for the global economies the western world should now:

Start to plan to bring manufacturing back into their own countries- not all of course but definatley new tech.

Introduce a carbon tax on those good from countries that cause the most polution from carbon fuel (that would now of course also include America)

Stop selling companies to the chinese - that includes British Steel.

Major outbreakes such as SARS etc will always start in places like Chna first - the population is so dense and has a larger proportion of its population is direct contact with animals.

China will always be involved in manufacturing thats obvious but I belive a more risk averse strategy is called for.

It wont happen of course - we are all guilty of wanting everything as cheap as possible...& everything has a cost![/quote]

Pay more for goods or do without. No problem for those of us who place climate before productivity.

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A very good friend of mine in Hong Kong can't stop smiling at the hysteria. His friends's in the very viral centre in Wuhan who are dealing with the epicentre of the virus, opine that the death rate in elderly Chinese men is down to the fact that a vast percentage of said men have smoked all their life, live in polluted inner-city air, and as such have limited lung and immune system defences. It is an easily catchable, nasty bug, but unless it mutates it will not have the bang to kill us all.

Funnily enough, he hasn't stockpiled toilet paper.

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A very good friend of mine in Hong Kong can't stop smiling at the hysteria. His friends's in the very viral centre in Wuhan who are dealing with the epicentre of the virus, opine that the death rate in elderly Chinese men is down to the fact that a vast percentage of said men have smoked all their life, live in polluted inner-city air, and as such have limited lung and immune system defences. It is an easily catchable, nasty bug, but unless it mutates it will not have the bang to kill us all.

Funnily enough, he hasn't stockpiled toilet paper.


I believe the Spanish Flu epedemic at the end if the 1st world war came in two tranches?
The first wasn't so deadly but the 2nd that came was far more deadly as it had mutated- I think?

Maybe thats what the real worry is and why there is a race to develop a vaccine even though apparently that wont be available until next year?

From a transmission perspective this virus seems to be far more contagious than previously identified strains (such as SARS) but less deadly...maybe the real concern is if it also develops more teeth we could really be in the shit....


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Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest that COVID19 is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,

and can cause irreversible lung damage even if the patient survives.

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Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest that COVID19 is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,

and can cause irreversible lung damage even if the patient survives.


In those with chronic conditions, yes. Sadly this will kill many. If you are over sixty with poor health or a history of smoking, you are at risk.

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